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Latest comment: 1 day ago by Organhaver in topic Need for lead image?

Replacing the lead images

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The image used on this page contains an illicit image of inklings from splatoon, which are characters that are 14 years old. Is there any way to report the user who added it and change the image to anything else? Whatever can be done to take down the image is for the best, I feel. ~2025-40178-11 (talk) 08:14, 12 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

pinging @Dabmasterars as the editor who added the illustrations, not to 'report' them as this TA suggested. the choice of images could certainly be improved here. looking at the linked Commons category, the best options I see are Bowsette (Internet famous fan-made character, surprisingly free) and our own mascot Wikipe-tan (the adult version; avoiding as while there is no prohibition per se in using her for pornographic works, it is taboo after she was used in an old version for the article Lolicon).  Juwan  🕊️🌈 13:56, 6 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
@~2025-40178-11 @Juwan
  • 1. This is not pornography. No characters are having sex. These images are erotic, not pornographic.
  • 2. Child pornography involves real children. The characters depicted on the images are purely fictional.
  • 3. The images were already nominated for deletion on Commons but were kept (this was for fan art guideline reasons, but still).
  • 4. The "taboo" of using erotic images of Wikipe-tan was set by Jimmy Wales, who erroneously deleted photos of Wikipetan that were later undeleted (1, 2, 3) due to Wales' deletion reason being pretty much "I don't like it", an invalid reason.
  • 5. Wikipedia is not censored.
If you have any more questions, I'll answer them. Note that I'm neither the creator nor the uploader of these images, I only added them due to them fitting the article. Oh, and don't try remove the images without a proper reason, it will get reverted immediately. Dabmasterars [RU/COM] (talk/contribs) 14:27, 6 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Dabmasterars thanks for the response given. though a lot of it is quite not directed at the point I was trying to make.
  • re point 1–2: the distinction between child pornography and erotic content involving young fictional characters is not too relevant to me, as the concern raised here would apply either way.
  • re point 5 and last sentence: not suggesting to censor but a more suitable replacement (WP:GRATUITOUS). re: for point 4 is not saying that one should avoid solely because of taboo, but laying out my rationale as to avoid a discussion like this from comming up again.
as such, my proposal would to be replace the current images as outlined above.  Juwan  🕊️🌈 15:11, 6 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
Personally, I'd argue that no lead image (as was the case with the Not safe for work article) would be more suitable than the current image. (Frankly I'm surprised that the current image had even survived a deletion request on Commons, but that's a different scenario.) Sugar Tax (talk) 16:38, 14 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
Comment: replaced the thread title to be more be direct to what is being discussed.  Juwan  🕊️🌈 15:23, 6 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • It seems I am a tad late to this matter, I wanted to inform the talk page that I added an image of Wikipe-tan, to the page. Issac I Navarro (talk) 05:29, 19 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    I agree that Wikipe-tan fits better as an example, though the images need to be separated a bit.
    Also, I just now realized how stupid the original point of discussion is, considering the Splatoon characters are clearly aged up; though I don't think we need these images anymore, as they don't illustrate anything particularly different from regular Rule 34, which is already illustrated twice. Dabmasterars [RU/COM] (talk/contribs) 06:32, 19 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
    @Issac I Navarro not late at all, thank you very much!  Juwan  🕊️🌈 13:01, 19 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • As seen by the page history I originally included this image. However, used the one in current use, as it seems convey the topic more directly.

(File:LoliWikipetan2.jpg Wikipe-tan the unofficial mascot of Wikipedia, in a swimsuit.) Hope that I was helpful, Cheers. Issac I Navarro (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Old thread, however, leaveing this here incase anyone is intrested: there is also File:Mei from Overwatch by nikuriii.png, and File:Playboy parody cover featuring Wikipe-tan.png Issac I Navarro (talk) 02:17, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Overwatch file fits more with Overwatch and pornography, which you deleted it from. Dabmasterars [RU/COM] (talk/contribs) 08:47, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
agreed. plus Playboy-type media is not something one typically Rule 34. Juwan 🕊️🌈 09:09, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Dabmasterars, I changed my mind. If you would like add it to the article, I will support that decision and if others disagrees then the matter could be taken to the Talk. Issac I Navarro (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Sure thing. It seems like no one else objected to the inclusion in that article. Dabmasterars [RU/COM] (talk/contribs) 15:21, 19 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
I absolutely object to using any image of Wikipe-tan for multiple reasons. First of all, the character is a child and was created and envisioned as a child, and having her "aged up" doesn't change that. Secondly, using what is, in effect, a mascot of Wikipedia creates the impression that the image is endorsed by WMF/the community in some way. Especially considering how the image is barely skirting around pedophilia/"lolicon" content, that should not be the message that we want broadcast to the public. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
@ArtemisiaGentileschiFan, I personally don't get the history of wikipe tan. One of these days I will have to take a look.
However, if you wish to remove sure.
Here are some other alternatives:
Side note there is Commons:Category:Rule 34 of Wikipe-tan
If you find any of these to be acceptable or if there is a different one, send me a ping. However, I am not all that passionate about this subject. Issac I Navarro (talk) 20:01, 8 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Issac I Navarro: I've added a new image. Honestly, it doesn't matter to me which one is used as long as it isn't something as pedophilia-adjacent as Inklings or Wikipe-tan. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 20:05, 8 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Okay. Well, then the original claim of the artist making porn of toddler Wikipe-tan is not proven, still.
I doubt that this is an issue, really, unless anything else is shown. The image is depicting a fictional adult. I would strongly support the inclusion of the image. ⚙ Crash >> Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 23:04, 9 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Why do you "strongly support" that specific image? It really doesn't matter what image is used as long as the concept of rule 34 is communicated, so why bother using a controversial image if it can be easily avoided? ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 15:21, 10 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Sure, whoops. I just want to keep the status quo from before the more recent discussion here. ⚙ Crash >> Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 16:55, 10 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I've always seen it in a "separate the art from the artist" sort of way. Since she's creative commons, there's no possible way for Kasuga to profit from her in any way. Also, her design is based on ME-tan, so I don't think she was made to be fetishistic or a toddler. Plus I think I read somewhere on their Twitter that they're glad they didn't do "anything extreme" with her, so the pornographic art of her they're talking about was probably fan art or a photoshop. New editing editor (talk) 05:28, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I agree. Does this count as enough to restore the old image, or does anyone else have anything last to say?
Also– in the caption it is said to be photoshopped, so, yes. ⚙ Crash >> Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 06:20, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Since the new one doesn't convey the rule at all, I'd probably restore the old image. This site has a whole Wikiproject for a show that lines the pockets of a child trafficker, so a basically public domain character is the least of our worries. New editing editor (talk) 07:10, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
On second thought, the image should probably be reverted further back to this one instead. I'm pretty sure that whole "Kasuga made porn of Wikipe-tan" rumor started because that exact image was misattributed to him on Danbooru instead of the person who made the third party edit. New editing editor (talk) 05:03, 13 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
sure, there was consensus previously to use it...
ArtemisiaGentileschiFan, just broke my understanding of Wikipe tan. One of these days I need to do a deep dive for myself. Issac I Navarro (talk) 05:09, 13 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
 Done If it makes you feel any better, Wikipe-tan is DEFINITELY not a fetish thing. According to this video, turning different concepts into maids was just a popular trend on the Japanese internet around the time she was made. New editing editor (talk) 05:28, 13 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
@New editing editor, one day, i will do a deep dive and make an informed decision myself, about Wikipe-tan. But for now, I am seeing it as odd, for lack of a better words.
I am okay with fetish stuff. I like to think I can be open-minded. I'm quite active on Commons and have nominated for deletion hundreds of files about nudity and categorized thousands more. So that is not necessarily a hard no for me. But when it comes to kids, that is a hell no! As I've been very blunt at the current RfC on Lolicon. And we should just call it what it is.
It interesting that we do use a drawing by Wikipe-tan' creater for that page, given the very little I just found and what else they apparently draw. Issac I Navarro (talk) 05:44, 13 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I can definitely agree that lolicon is abhorrent. I think for me, knowing that Kasuga is barred from ever monetarily gaining from her and that a ton of the Wikipe-tan example images aren't even made by him anymore eases a lot of the discomfort I have with her usage (but I get why others would feel differently). Maybe that's why Wales said he isn't "particularly agitated" with the fact that people like her, but I digress. New editing editor (talk) 10:40, 13 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I really don't see any reason to restore the Wikipe-tan image. I don't know why it matters so much, the point of having an image is to represent the concept and the current image does that perfectly well. ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 14:39, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I gave many alternatives above to pick from.5 Issac I Navarro (talk) 15:30, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Rule 34 is about pornographic fan art. The current image doesn't convey the "fan art" part and the five alternates either don't display the concept as well or aren't as high quality as the old image. New editing editor (talk) 16:21, 11 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Need for lead image?

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As far as I can tell, this article existed without a lead image from 2013 until November of 2025, when Dabmasterars added two now-deleted images. Dabmasterars has since been banned by the WMF. The current image is an aged-up and sexed-up version of Wikipe-tan. I would not have recognized the character without the caption. I don't believe the average reader will be familiar with Wikipe-tan or know how the image differs from the usual version. It is just decoration.

I do not believe that an image is necessary to explain the concept. Is there any objection to returning to the longstanding status of having no lead image? If not, why not? HappyBeachDreams (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2026 (UTC)Reply

There was a bigger discussion already about changing the lead image above, I genuinely think it is fine. Also, really, the character does not have to be recognizable. It just has to represent what the topic is (from WP:LEADIMAGE). I would personally disagree that an image is unnecessary. ⚙ Crash >> Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 21:15, 11 November 2026 (UTC)Reply