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Help at DRV?
[edit]Hi folks, there is a Thailand football club that I at least am having problems evaluating the notability of. If any of you who know Thailand football (and ideally speak the language...) could take a look, it would be quite welcome. . Thanks, Hobit (talk) 13:50, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Notability for national cups
[edit]Hello. I have a question. What round does it have to be for a match to be considered a "professional" match in a cup competition? For example, is a round of 64 match in the Coupe de France considered a professional match? Because one team may be fully professional and the other may be a team of amateurs playing in semi-professional football. I am just curious to know at what stage a match becomes professional in a national cup competition. Thanks and best regards. Paul Vaurie (talk) 17:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Paul Vaurie: The round is irrelevant; in order to confer notability on a player, the match they play in must be between two clubs from fully-professional leagues (the occasional meeting of two non-league clubs in the third round of the FA Cup would not make the players notable). Number 57 17:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Number 57: What if a non-professional team is playing against a professional team in the final of the cup? The final surely has to be considered notable... The same thing must go for the semi-finals, no? I'm just a bit curious about this. Because for example, FC Saarbrucken made the semi-finals of the DFB Pokal last year, and lost to Bayer Leverkusen. Would the players who played for FCS in that match be considered notable enough to create Wikipedia pages about them? Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:42, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Paul Vaurie: They wouldn't be notable under WP:NFOOTBALL, which specifically states the game must be between two teams from fully-professional leagues. They might pass the WP:GNG, but I think WP:BLP1E might apply. Number 57 18:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- I would make sure you have found reliable sources for the players in the match which directly discuss those players that pass WP:GNG, but I do know we have articles for players who played for Quevilly in that cup final, so there will likely be some coverage, especially for the more prominent players. SportingFlyer T·C 22:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Paul Vaurie: They wouldn't be notable under WP:NFOOTBALL, which specifically states the game must be between two teams from fully-professional leagues. They might pass the WP:GNG, but I think WP:BLP1E might apply. Number 57 18:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Number 57: What if a non-professional team is playing against a professional team in the final of the cup? The final surely has to be considered notable... The same thing must go for the semi-finals, no? I'm just a bit curious about this. Because for example, FC Saarbrucken made the semi-finals of the DFB Pokal last year, and lost to Bayer Leverkusen. Would the players who played for FCS in that match be considered notable enough to create Wikipedia pages about them? Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:42, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Collapse the legacy NFOOTY criteria?
[edit]Hello, I appreciate the bold red outline of the note stating that NFOOTY has been superseded. That may be enough, but could we also collapse the text as well? So if someone wants to see it, they have to actively click "Show". This would further discourage people from finding access to the information, disregarding the note, and then trying to use the old criteria to support arguments? This would also mitigate the concern that arose from commenting out the text in July. This would be more reader-facing accessible than editor facing (though anyone participating in AfD is probably savvy enough seeing "commented" to uncover what they are looking for, it's just a few extra clicks and load times). For example:
Expand for the archival WP:FOOTYN criteria for player notability before it was superseded by WP:Notability (sports). |
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Players are deemed notable if they meet any of the criteria below:
Should a person fail to meet these additional criteria, they may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability. |
Thoughts? Courtesy pings @Geschichte, SportingFlyer, and Extraordinary Writ: who addressed this one way or another in the past year. Dropping a note at WT:FOOTY as well. -2pou (talk) 18:34, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Collapsing the text is fine. GiantSnowman 19:09, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- I have no issue with collapsing the text. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 17:25, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- Collapsing (or strikethrough) would be an improvement. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 20:46, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
- Collapsing is fine. Strikethrough I would not support- as makes it harder to read- but collapsing makes it clear that it's no longer applicable but can be used for historical reference. Also probably worth marking as historical, unless any of it is still relevant. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:37, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
Notability of youth national teams
[edit]As part of WP:NOV26, a user has marked multiple youth national teams as "not notable", despite the drive only targeting articles lacking sources. Is there any guidance on how to determine the notability of youth national teams that could help here? Phil 09:50, 6 November 2026 (UTC)
- The relevant guidance is WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 19:13, 10 November 2026 (UTC)
- Just to note, this was not done as part of WP:NOV26. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 13:03, 11 November 2026 (UTC)