Talk:Elliot Rodger
Add topicElliot Rodger is currently a Culture, sociology and psychology good article nominee. Nominated by Carnival of Lights (talk) at 03:35, 25 October 2026 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review this article in accordance with the good article criteria and will decide whether or not to list it as a good article. Comments are welcome from any editor. When complete, this review will be closed by the reviewer. To view the review and add comments, click discuss review. |
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List of Victims?
[edit]Is there any consensus for keeping the list of victims on this page? I'd say that (if at all) it's better suited for the page on the attacks themselves, not the one for Elliot. It feels a bit inappropriate given it reads as a memorial (see WP:MEMORIAL). Especially given the extra info on them other than their birth date/age. It's generally pretty rare for us to list them, especially if the victims lack their own particular notability/articles.
⚠︎ ArkadenBoden ⚠︎ (talk) 12:34, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- How is it a memorial when it just mentions when they were born and what they majored in at school? This makes no sense at all, but if people agree that they should only be mentioned in the attacks page I will remove it from the Rodger article. Carnival of Lights (talk) 21:57, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
- My concern with a "memorial" was mostly with the sources of the section being focused on memorials/obituaries/honoring the specific victims. Information on victims is generally, in most sources or otherwise, written as memorial or in honor of them (not that this may have been your intent. Victims themselves are also non-notable. The victims, individually, are not covered enough to have their own articles. Since Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, victims' names and majors may not be necessary for encyclopedic value. In my opinion, the names and majors don't particularly add much to the article, especially not Elliot's himself. Two women and four men works. I'm willing to try finding consensus for the Isla Vista attacks article itself, but here I doubt it's suitable.
- (I hope I don't sound mean or abrasive. I tend to be a bit blunt with the way I communicate and I don't mean to be rude in any way. Just want this article to be at its best)
- Much love, rock on!
- ⚠︎ ArkadenBoden ⚠︎ (talk) 18:06, 19 August 2026 (UTC)
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Change klling to killing
3rd paragraph after signature, 5th or 6th sentence, I think. Kcanfixit (talk) 22:44, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
Done Thanks for spotting the typo! The person who loves reading (talk) 22:50, 21 August 2026 (UTC)
Request
[edit]requesting edit that "born in London",the link is changed to London region and not the city of London since he is born in Lambeth, Greater London. Shernop (talk) 00:57, 22 August 2026 (UTC)
Removing Victims Section
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MajorImprovements Stop removing the attacks section without consensus. Zero Contradictions provided the same reason, which is very, very suspicious, and your account is only four days old. Carnival of Lights (talk) 00:16, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- I don't know who that person is. And I removed the section discussing the victims, since it is not appropriate to be included on the biography of Rodger. It should only be included on Isla Vista attacks. Let's see what other editors think. MajorImprovements (talk) 00:20, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- User:Ponyo, you have previously blocked this person for similar reasons. Please investigate this editor. MajorImprovements (talk) 00:23, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- I wasn't blocked for this; it was for uploading and adding low-quality photos. Get your facts right. Carnival of Lights (talk) 00:30, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- And now you're making low-quality edits and insulting other editors. MajorImprovements (talk) 00:35, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- Edit: I was mistaken. I thought this editor removed the whole attack page, but only removed the victims part. But we already had a discussion above taking place, and you decided to remove it anyway. Also, how is it "insulting" and "low-quality edits" when wanting other editors for their opinions? This usually happens when we can't agree on something. Carnival of Lights (talk) 00:37, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- Like I said, let's see what other editors think—since there seems to be a disagreement between the two of us. MajorImprovements (talk) 00:38, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- This account has been confirmed as a sockpuppet of PageTheEditor. Carnival of Lights (talk) 01:17, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- Like I said, let's see what other editors think—since there seems to be a disagreement between the two of us. MajorImprovements (talk) 00:38, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- Edit: I was mistaken. I thought this editor removed the whole attack page, but only removed the victims part. But we already had a discussion above taking place, and you decided to remove it anyway. Also, how is it "insulting" and "low-quality edits" when wanting other editors for their opinions? This usually happens when we can't agree on something. Carnival of Lights (talk) 00:37, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- And now you're making low-quality edits and insulting other editors. MajorImprovements (talk) 00:35, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- I wasn't blocked for this; it was for uploading and adding low-quality photos. Get your facts right. Carnival of Lights (talk) 00:30, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
- User:Ponyo, you have previously blocked this person for similar reasons. Please investigate this editor. MajorImprovements (talk) 00:23, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
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I'd like to add some info to the "Legacy" Section.
In 2015, one year after Elliot Rodger's death, an account by the name of "ElliotSupremeLady" frequented through 4chan and tumblr claiming to have fallen in love with Rodger--and that if she had met him in time, they would have been together. ElliotSupremeLady (or ESL) is one year younger that Rodger, and happens to be the kind of woman he idolized, attractive with blonde hair blue eyes. She has an online following and often posts videos on Tiktok paying tribute to her husband, wearing his clothes, astrology, and that they're "twin flames" and soulmates. ElliotSupremeLady has been vocal on twitter, tiktok and tumblr about her condemnation of Rodger's actions:
"It wasn’t true crime that led me to Elliot. It was actually a countdown video about YouTubers who had passed away. That’s when I saw him. He was the most beautiful man I’d ever seen. When I found out who he was, my heart dropped. But the more I learned about him as a person, the more I fell for him. I fell in love with him for who he was, not for what happened. Honestly, I don’t even like to hear about it. I just wish I could have been with him in life, before all of this, when things were different. Unfortunately, Elliot is attached to that whole topic, reduced to his crimes. But that's not how I see him... I understand what happened, but I don’t study it. That’s not what I do. I love Elliot, but that love doesn’t mean I don’t recognize the tragedy of what happened. People died, and that should never be forgotten... I would’ve loved him before any of this, and I truly wish none of it happened. The truth is, this is just the only way I know him. And I really hate that he's linked to all this true crime and incel stuff. I try to separate him, and myself, from it as much as possible. Because if I had been with him right now, none of this would even be in my mind."[1]
ElliotSupremeLady has been devoted to Elliot since 2016, and is still devoted to him to this day. [2] YazzieWikkie (talk) 02:45, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
Not done: No claims of significance (in Wikipedia's meaning) AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 04:50, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
GA review
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Nominator: Carnival of Lights (talk · contribs) 18:48, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
Reviewer: 750h+ (talk · contribs) 08:16, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
Hi I'll review this. Ping me if I don't do this within the next five-ish days. 750h+ 08:16, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
Prose
[edit]- lead
- Rodger's attacks have often been praised by incels around the world. ==> "Incels around the world have often praised Rodger's attacks." (active voice)
- early life
- Just wondering, would it be better to combine the sections between Early life and High school? Maybe into one section titled "Early life".
- Peter, a British national,[5] is a filmmaker who has directed television commercials. I think it's best to change "is" to was" and "has" to "had", I feel that the information could possibly become outdated
- His mother is Malaysian Chinese and has also worked in the film industry remove "has"
- where he enjoyed an affluent and privileged childhood do we need both "affluent" and "privileged"?
- Li Chin left her work in health care to take care of Rodger and soon bore a daughter, Rodger's sister. you don't need both "daughter" and "Rodger's sister".
- who later moved with his family ==> "who later moved in with his family"
- Rodger's parents divorced when "divorced" doesn't need to be linked (MOS:OVERLINK)
- Rodger's father married Moroccan ==> "his father married Moroccan"
- Rodger expressed shock at how quickly his father remarried ==> "Rodger was shocked at how quickly his father remarried"
- A trip to Disneyland around age five brought him to tears due to the crowds. this seems pretty trivial, especially given you mention him being "overwhelmed by social gatherings" in the previous sentence
- Rodger had a difficult relationship with his stepmother Akaaboune we don't need both "stepmother" and "Akaaboune"
- middle years
- Many of Rodger's social connections in school were initiated by his parents, other students, or facilitated by the parents of his peers ==> "Many of Rodger's social connections at school were initiated by his parents or other students, or facilitated by the parents of his peers"
- Rodger claimed one of his bullies was a blonde girl, which he stated contributed to the development of his misogynistic attitudes.[27] Rodger's grades declined, his social activity decreased,[18][28] and he immersed himself in video games such as World of Warcraft at his parents' houses and cybercafés.[25][29] Rodger's stepmother became concerned with his unwillingness to socialize and made him stop playing his video games, causing tensions between the two to escalate.[23] "Rodger" begins three consecutive sentences. I think you may want to use pronouns to do so.
- During this time, his stepmother became pregnant and gave birth to a son, Rodger's younger half-brother.[31] as above, you don't need both "a son" and "Rodger's younger half-brother"
- During his time at both schools, he reported experiencing severe bullying by other students ==> "During his time at both schools, he experienced severe bullying by other students"
- later life
- He held his parents responsible for his lack of wealth, blaming his mother for not marrying a wealthier man for his benefit and his father for using his money to produce Oh My God ==> "He held his parents responsible for his lack of wealth: he blamed his mother for not marrying a wealthier man and his father for using his money to produce Oh My God"
- Rodger's father referred him to his friend Karl Champley for construction work, and Rodger worked in construction for a time. ==> "His father referred him to his friend Karl Champley for construction work, where Rodger worked for some time."
- Rodger agreed to the plan after watching the ==> "He agreed to the plan after watching the"
The more I read into this article, the more it seems a bit too detailed. What I've been correcting above has largely been grammar and all that, but what I've seen about the article is that every little thing is mentioned (e.g. "he was angered when one of his roommate's Black friends said he had lost his virginity at the age of 13.", "Rodger noticed a Hispanic man seated with a blonde woman and became jealous after seeing them kiss."). I also realise that a detail a reviewer from the previous article highlighted relating to criterion 3b (it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail) has not been addressed (here). I think the suggestions above I've given should be taken into account, but I may have to fail this for now. 750h+ 16:49, 2 October 2026 (UTC)
GA review
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Nominator: Carnival of Lights (talk · contribs) 03:35, 25 October 2026 (UTC)
Reviewer: Jishara (talk · contribs) 22:27, 31 October 2026 (UTC)
@Carnival of Lights: the review's below, ping me when you get a chance to make the updates - you've got seven days. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 00:42, 3 November 2026 (UTC)
- GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
- It is reasonably well written.
- a (prose, spelling, grammar, and understandability):
b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, lists, and tables):
- Early life, middle years, and later life? he died at 22, so that's really awkward. "Rodger’s killings have sparked social media campaigns such as #NotAllMen and #YesAllWomen and have contributed to ongoing debates about toxic masculinity, gender-based violence, and the influence of internet forums in radicalizing young men who intend to commit copycat crimes." is just in lead, not body. Behavior with Others includes his internal jealousy/hatred/murderous rage on his half-brother's success without explaining how it affected his behavior with others - it should maybe go into one of the life areas.
- a (prose, spelling, grammar, and understandability):
- I have removed the "Rodger’s killings have sparked social media campaigns such as #NotAllMen and #YesAllWomen and have contributed to ongoing debates about toxic masculinity, gender-based violence, and the influence of internet forums in radicalizing young men who intend to commit copycat crimes." part since I feel that belongs best in the Isla Vista attacks page. I changed the "Behavior with Others" section name. I merged his early, middle, and later life to make it shorter.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
- a (reference section):
b (inline citations to reliable sources):
c (OR):
d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- Radar Online and Herald Sun are terrible sources, and there are 12 citations to them. A lot of the sources are also direct reproductions of his manifesto, even his early life, and so should be attributed and balanced. 55 says he fell off, not that he was pushed.
- a (reference section):
- Removed all of those and place 55 to the right spot. Also attributed parts of the text where it was taken off his manifesto.
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects):
b (focused):
- How many slashes there were feel more like a fit for the article about the attack. Doesn't have much about the legacy in terms of legal things, debates, social media, culture etc except for the incel reaction - it really needs more about broader cultural things.
- a (major aspects):
- The past review had me take off the whole section describing the victims, gun control, etc. They said it belonged better in the attacks article.
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- A lot of time spent on his very odd motivations and a decent amount spent on the killers inspired by him (aka the side that supports him), not a lot spent on the victims, legal changes, and the rest of society. "Rodger’s killings have sparked social media campaigns such as #NotAllMen and #YesAllWomen and have contributed to ongoing debates about toxic masculinity, gender-based violence, and the influence of internet forums in radicalizing young men who intend to commit copycat crimes." would be really useful to make into an actual section to help this.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Explained aboive
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- Article is contentious, but nothing rises to edit warring.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
b (appropriate use with suitable captions and alt text):
- Do we really need all 13 images, including three images of guns, two CCTV images of him at food/drink places, and two driver's license photos? It gets to the point where its encyclopedic value is outweighed by its distraction. Also, none have alt text.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
- I am not allowed to remove any images for a year due to a tban, but we can come to an agreement and you can remove the ones we find unnecessary
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
- @Jishara: Thanks a lot for the review. I have addressed your concerns. Carnival of Lights (talk) 09:40, 6 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: for clarity, my point was that you shouldn't remove the passage in the lead and should instead talk about it in the body - it's very much needed to have the article be neutral and have it cover all the relevant aspects. You don't need the same full section as in the article on the attack, but you need a significant amount. As for the images, my thought would be choose one (or maybe two) gun/guns, one CCTV, and one driver's license, and the extra ones in those categories should be cut - otherwise it starts to get a bit clogged with images. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 19:49, 6 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I have added it back in the lead and added more info about the victims, gun control, violence against women, and social media reactions. Regarding the images, a user removed all the images for some reason, but I am in agreement if you want to add those pictures to the article. Carnival of Lights (talk) 01:46, 7 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: a few things - do we need those other names in Other Names? Secondly, legacy is still almost exclusively about the incel reaction - maybe merge it with aftermath? Were there any other longer-time followups outside of incels? Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: Tell me what you think now. Carnival of Lights (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: I like the merge - anything else there for longer-term followups outside the incel community? If there isn't there isn't, but take a look. also spotcheck - source doesn't confirm blondeness, repetitive behavior, that he refused to take medication (explicitly saying he was resistant but never outright rejected care) Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I added more info in first two paragraphs in the "Aftermath" sections talk about the victims, what kind of gun control came, how it was considered misogynistic. I have added the mother jones source for the repetitive behavior and changed the wording for the medication. And regarding the blondness part, which section are you referring to? Carnival of Lights (talk) 08:08, 11 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: the bully being a blonde girl - it names the person but never states if she's blond AFAICT. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I have changed the sources to the Christianity Today source, it states: "Rodger described Moio as a "a pretty blonde girl" who was part of a group of "popular Seventh Grade girls" that teased him. He also wrote, "I hated her so much, and I will never forget her. I started to hate all girls because of this. I saw them as mean, cruel, and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering." Carnival of Lights (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: the bully being a blonde girl - it names the person but never states if she's blond AFAICT. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I added more info in first two paragraphs in the "Aftermath" sections talk about the victims, what kind of gun control came, how it was considered misogynistic. I have added the mother jones source for the repetitive behavior and changed the wording for the medication. And regarding the blondness part, which section are you referring to? Carnival of Lights (talk) 08:08, 11 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: I like the merge - anything else there for longer-term followups outside the incel community? If there isn't there isn't, but take a look. also spotcheck - source doesn't confirm blondeness, repetitive behavior, that he refused to take medication (explicitly saying he was resistant but never outright rejected care) Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: Tell me what you think now. Carnival of Lights (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: a few things - do we need those other names in Other Names? Secondly, legacy is still almost exclusively about the incel reaction - maybe merge it with aftermath? Were there any other longer-time followups outside of incels? Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I have added it back in the lead and added more info about the victims, gun control, violence against women, and social media reactions. Regarding the images, a user removed all the images for some reason, but I am in agreement if you want to add those pictures to the article. Carnival of Lights (talk) 01:46, 7 November 2026 (UTC)
Other names?
[edit]seems like the other names section in the header should be changed
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