Talk:Elliot Rodger/GA3
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GA review
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Nominator: Carnival of Lights (talk · contribs) 03:35, 25 October 2026 (UTC)
Reviewer: Jishara (talk · contribs) 22:27, 31 October 2026 (UTC)
@Carnival of Lights: the review's below, ping me when you get a chance to make the updates - you've got seven days. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 00:42, 3 November 2026 (UTC)
- GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
- It is reasonably well written.
- a (prose, spelling, grammar, and understandability):
b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, lists, and tables): 
- Early life, middle years, and later life? he died at 22, so that's really awkward. "Rodger’s killings have sparked social media campaigns such as #NotAllMen and #YesAllWomen and have contributed to ongoing debates about toxic masculinity, gender-based violence, and the influence of internet forums in radicalizing young men who intend to commit copycat crimes." is just in lead, not body. Behavior with Others includes his internal jealousy/hatred/murderous rage on his half-brother's success without explaining how it affected his behavior with others - it should maybe go into one of the life areas.
- a (prose, spelling, grammar, and understandability):
- I have removed the "Rodger’s killings have sparked social media campaigns such as #NotAllMen and #YesAllWomen and have contributed to ongoing debates about toxic masculinity, gender-based violence, and the influence of internet forums in radicalizing young men who intend to commit copycat crimes." part since I feel that belongs best in the Isla Vista attacks page. I changed the "Behavior with Others" section name. I merged his early, middle, and later life to make it shorter.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
- a (reference section):
b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- Radar Online and Herald Sun are terrible sources, and there are 12 citations to them. A lot of the sources are also direct reproductions of his manifesto, even his early life, and so should be attributed and balanced. 55 says he fell off, not that he was pushed.
- a (reference section):
- Removed all of those and place 55 to the right spot. Also attributed parts of the text where it was taken off his manifesto.
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- How many slashes there were feel more like a fit for the article about the attack. Doesn't have much about the legacy in terms of legal things, debates, social media, culture etc except for the incel reaction - it really needs more about broader cultural things.
- a (major aspects):
- The past review had me take off the whole section describing the victims, gun control, etc. They said it belonged better in the attacks article.
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- A lot of time spent on his very odd motivations and a decent amount spent on the killers inspired by him (aka the side that supports him), not a lot spent on the victims, legal changes, and the rest of society. "Rodger’s killings have sparked social media campaigns such as #NotAllMen and #YesAllWomen and have contributed to ongoing debates about toxic masculinity, gender-based violence, and the influence of internet forums in radicalizing young men who intend to commit copycat crimes." would be really useful to make into an actual section to help this.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Explained aboive
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- Article is contentious, but nothing rises to edit warring.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions and alt text):
- Do we really need all 13 images, including three images of guns, two CCTV images of him at food/drink places, and two driver's license photos? It gets to the point where its encyclopedic value is outweighed by its distraction. Also, none have alt text.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
- I am not allowed to remove any images for a year due to a tban, but we can come to an agreement and you can remove the ones we find unnecessary
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
- @Jishara: Thanks a lot for the review. I have addressed your concerns. Carnival of Lights (talk) 09:40, 6 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: for clarity, my point was that you shouldn't remove the passage in the lead and should instead talk about it in the body - it's very much needed to have the article be neutral and have it cover all the relevant aspects. You don't need the same full section as in the article on the attack, but you need a significant amount. As for the images, my thought would be choose one (or maybe two) gun/guns, one CCTV, and one driver's license, and the extra ones in those categories should be cut - otherwise it starts to get a bit clogged with images. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 19:49, 6 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I have added it back in the lead and added more info about the victims, gun control, violence against women, and social media reactions. Regarding the images, a user removed all the images for some reason, but I am in agreement if you want to add those pictures to the article. Carnival of Lights (talk) 01:46, 7 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: a few things - do we need those other names in Other Names? Secondly, legacy is still almost exclusively about the incel reaction - maybe merge it with aftermath? Were there any other longer-time followups outside of incels? Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: Tell me what you think now. Carnival of Lights (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: I like the merge - anything else there for longer-term followups outside the incel community? If there isn't there isn't, but take a look. also spotcheck - source doesn't confirm blondeness, repetitive behavior, that he refused to take medication (explicitly saying he was resistant but never outright rejected care) Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I added more info in first two paragraphs in the "Aftermath" sections talk about the victims, what kind of gun control came, how it was considered misogynistic. I have added the mother jones source for the repetitive behavior and changed the wording for the medication. And regarding the blondness part, which section are you referring to? Carnival of Lights (talk) 08:08, 11 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: the bully being a blonde girl - it names the person but never states if she's blond AFAICT. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I have changed the sources to the Christianity Today source, it states: "Rodger described Moio as a "a pretty blonde girl" who was part of a group of "popular Seventh Grade girls" that teased him. He also wrote, "I hated her so much, and I will never forget her. I started to hate all girls because of this. I saw them as mean, cruel, and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering." Carnival of Lights (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2026 (UTC)
- That works. follow up spotcheck is clean, and i see some more on followups. This passes. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 12:09, 13 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I have changed the sources to the Christianity Today source, it states: "Rodger described Moio as a "a pretty blonde girl" who was part of a group of "popular Seventh Grade girls" that teased him. He also wrote, "I hated her so much, and I will never forget her. I started to hate all girls because of this. I saw them as mean, cruel, and heartless creatures that took pleasure from my suffering." Carnival of Lights (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: the bully being a blonde girl - it names the person but never states if she's blond AFAICT. Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I added more info in first two paragraphs in the "Aftermath" sections talk about the victims, what kind of gun control came, how it was considered misogynistic. I have added the mother jones source for the repetitive behavior and changed the wording for the medication. And regarding the blondness part, which section are you referring to? Carnival of Lights (talk) 08:08, 11 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: I like the merge - anything else there for longer-term followups outside the incel community? If there isn't there isn't, but take a look. also spotcheck - source doesn't confirm blondeness, repetitive behavior, that he refused to take medication (explicitly saying he was resistant but never outright rejected care) Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: Tell me what you think now. Carnival of Lights (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Carnival of Lights: a few things - do we need those other names in Other Names? Secondly, legacy is still almost exclusively about the incel reaction - maybe merge it with aftermath? Were there any other longer-time followups outside of incels? Jishara (please ping upon response) (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2026 (UTC)
- @Jishara: I have added it back in the lead and added more info about the victims, gun control, violence against women, and social media reactions. Regarding the images, a user removed all the images for some reason, but I am in agreement if you want to add those pictures to the article. Carnival of Lights (talk) 01:46, 7 November 2026 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.