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In the section "The group has perpetrated terrorist massacres in territories outside of its control, such as the November 2015 Paris attacks, the 2024 Kerman bombings in Iran, the 2024 Crocus City Hall attack in Russia, the Hanukkah massacre of Jews on Bondi beach in Australia and the knifing of Jews outside a British synagogue on Yom Kippur" on the introductory page, "the Hanukkah massacre of Jews on Bondi beach in Australia and the knifing of Jews outside a British synagogue on Yom Kippur" should be changed to "the 2025 Bondi Beach shooting and the 2025 Manchester synagogue attack", assuming that these two are the attacks being referred to here. Pineways (talk) 08:41, 5 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

 Done Thank you! Lova Falk (talk) 10:44, 5 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 10 July 2026

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WP:SNOW close. Overwhelming opposition. Alternative proposals can be made in a separate move discussion.Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:28, 14 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Islamic State → ISIS (terrorist organization)ISIS (terrorist organization) – ISIS is WP:COMMONNAME but there is also a goddess named Isis so this name clarifies it is about the Islamic terrorists. ~2026-38391-81 (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2026 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose. This article has come up for RM many, many times, and I urge all editors to read the 2021 discussion that resulted in the article's current title, which I believe still holds up today. The current nomination cites no reliable sources and should probably be withdrawn unless an actual well-researched argument is presented. 162 etc. (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Oppose per MOS:TERRORIST. We do not say terrorist in wikivoice, ever. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:34, 11 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
Oppose - ISIS is only used after the full name (Islamic State) is mentioned beforehand. Militant.Insurgency (talk) 09:34, 11 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
OPPOSE - Islamic State is its name, so that's what we should use. "Terrorist"/"terrorism" etc are ontologically incoherent concepts, are emotionally charged, and are subjective and thus subject to perspective bias. Must be avoided at all times.
Plus Islamic State is the name, not "ISIS" anyway. LevatorScapulaeSyndrome (talk) 20:52, 11 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Requested move 17 October 2026

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Latest comment: 18 days ago21 comments11 people in discussion
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:35, 25 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Islamic State → Islamic State (militant group) – this and Islamic state page creates confusion as both has no distinction except a capital "S". Also, most of mainstream sources nowadays call it as group. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]

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A$ianeditorz (talk) 00:49, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
see WP:DIFFCAPS Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 02:09, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Sure, but look into whatever Kowal was saying. Not too experienced on this.
-- LightningThrower (talk) 02:52, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yes but also look at sources and it's mostly referred with mentioning "group". There is no need to use WP:DIFFCAPS without any reason. A$ianeditorz (talk) 03:07, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
WP:DIFFCAPS is policy, meaning one would tend to need a convincing reason to not apply it. Blippy1998 (talk) 07:40, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
For which the sources are given. A$ianeditorz (talk) 09:30, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
You said there's no need to apply it without reason, and I was rebutting that; there is an indication (because it's policy) to use WP:DIFFCAPS without reason and to override it only with good reason.
It sounds like you're now raising a separate point. As to that, see WP:PRECISE for when parenthetical disambiguators should be used. Blippy1998 (talk) 09:53, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
How that goes against my move request? A$ianeditorz (talk) 09:59, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
WP:PRECISE states that "[u]sually, titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that." That raises two out of three possible questions: "Is 'Islamic State' unambiguous?", "If 'Islamic State' is unambiguous, does it fall under an exception?", and "If 'Islamic State' is ambiguous, how should it be disambiguated?"
1. Is "Islamic State" unambiguous? Here, WP:DIFFCAPS instructs us to say "yes, as long as there are navigation aids", which there are.
2. If "Islamic State" is unambiguous, does it fall under an exception? Not that I know of. None of these policies or guidelines seem to indicate that we should give it another name if it's unambiguous given WP:CRITERIA. Perhaps "ISIS", I guess, but that's an abbreviation, and moreover was rejected (again) just a few months ago, and "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria" fails, at least, the concision criterion when considered against "Islamic State".
3. If "Islamic State" is ambiguous, how should it be disambiguated? Even if it were ambiguous, per WP:NCDAB and WP:DIFFCAPS, we should a. try to avoid using parenthetical disambiguators and b. ensure readers are directed to the article they are by far the most likely to be searching for if such a leading article exists.
In principle, before looking into the policies and guidelines here, I was pretty neutral on your proposal, as I was sympathetic to the notion that readers can indeed be confused by just one letter being capitalized. But the policies and guidelines are clear on this and convinced me that it's not the way to go. Those do exist by consensus and the reasons seem sound to me and there certainly doesn't seem like there's enough here to go against that. Blippy1998 (talk) 15:28, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
The current situation isn't wrong but I do agree that it could be confusing. The notes at the top of each page do a lot to resolve the confusion and to send anybody who has gone to the wrong article by mistake to the article that they actually want. Probably that is good enough. The proposed move could help to slightly reduce confusion but I am not sure that it is necessary. I do wonder whether the other article should be called Islamic states to make it clear that it is about a type with many entities. That said, I know that we try to avoid plurals in article titles so maybe that's not going to fly. Anyway, I'm not strongly opposed to the move but, on balance, I think it is probably better to leave it as it is. --DanielRigal (talk) 10:48, 17 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
there is a page called military of the Islamic State and territory of the Islamic State. This page is supposed to be about the Islamic State in general after those 2 separate pages. If we rename the page "Islamic State (militant group)" then why do we have a page called the "military of the Islamic State". This is also about the quasi-state not just the militant group, there's already a page for that. And this Wikipedia article has been called "Islamic State" for years now why is it a problem there's another page with the same name "Islamic state" that talks about the system of government. If that was a real problem that needs fixing why didn't it get changed in 2014 when this page was called Islamic State, 12 years ago Kpop777 (talk) 04:48, 18 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Its not suddenly after 12 years! It was proposed several times in those years. Thing is it creates confusion with the Islamic state which is the system of govt according to Islamic laws. It creates problem in search results unless someone adds more keywords. It was a quasi state but sources call it group now. It's the common name or descriptive word used. A$ianeditorz (talk) 04:55, 18 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
"It's been that way for 12 years therefore it's not a problem" is usually not a good argument. Blippy1998 (talk) 06:19, 18 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
okay. A$ianeditorz (talk) 04:50, 18 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
im ok with changing the name of the article, but if we do we should merge the military of the Islamic State to this article if we call this article "Islamic State (militant group)" Kpop777 (talk) 04:54, 18 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Kpop777 okay I got you and I agree. A$ianeditorz (talk) 04:56, 18 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Oppose. It is the primary topic for the term "Islamic State". PARAKANYAA (talk) 13:14, 22 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Oppose. Current sources still using this name [1] [2] Shadow4dark (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Just pointing out that the above !vote misses the point. Endymion.12 (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Oppose per WP:DIFFCAPS, WP:PTOPIC, and WP:HAT. CNCin solidarity (talk) 07:46, 25 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Incomplete ideology section (specifically anti-something)

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Latest comment: 16 days ago14 comments3 people in discussion

simple as. it does not have to include every single microcosmic thing IS hates, but at least an anti-western sentiment label is welcome, as well for other, more militarily significant countries, like america, russia or france. what do other editors think? 🧶Demeseriecroitor🧶 06:30, 19 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Demeseriecroitor 100%. This is a recurrent problem. That parameter should only include one or two ideologies at maximum. Feel free to remove it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 13:20, 22 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Are you guys talking about categories? In that case, less is probably better (opinion).
-- LightningThrower (talk) 01:16, 23 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
No, the infobox. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:35, 26 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I have not read it in its entirety, but maybe making such a broad (some people may use this term) "blanket" statement is discouraged? Maybe the nuance actually does add to the article and if it's well-sourced, I don't see a reason to remove it.
-- LightningThrower (talk) 01:15, 23 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I was talking about adding broad labels such as anti-western sentiment, as it is common in jihadist infoboxes, I did not intend to remove anything. 🧶Demeseriecroitor (YELL AT ME HERE)🧶 08:49, 23 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Demeseriecroitor
So neither of us (PARAKANYAA and I) understood? Or am I still just lost?
Well, I'm not fully sure about the verifiability of the "anti-western sentiment" label. That sounds a bit unverifiable.
I will note that I haven't read the article though.
-- LightningThrower (talk) 22:41, 25 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Hm, I misunderstood you. We have too many of these. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:35, 26 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
well here, if you want to shorten the daesh idelogy infobox, you can delete misoginy, homophobia, salafism, theocracy, and maybe qutibism, as these things usually come standard with islamic fundamentalism. the problem is that not all fundementalists have, for example, a hatred for a country/geopolitical term, the same thing goes for salafis. what I would propose is that we add specific, but still broad, labels that are a core part of IS, like anti-western sentiment, and remove the rest of the clutter @PARAKANYAA @LightningThrower 🧶Demeseriecroitor (YELL AT ME HERE)🧶 18:43, 26 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
By the same token, though, are there non anti-Western Islamic fundamentalists? PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:09, 26 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
considering that the Gulf States (most notably Saudi Arabia) exist, I would say so. Same thing goes for Syria. also worth noting the taliban have been very nonchalant and open with the US these past few years, even if their members may hate the US to guts. at the very least, we do not talk about fundamentalists who hate the west, but those who are neutral/indiferent towards its existence. another issue is that not all fundamentalists/salafis hate turks, shias, christians, jews (People of the Book), hindus, yazidis etc etc. Daesh is an entirely different kind of package, and is reflected as such in it's infobox. 🧶Demeseriecroitor (YELL AT ME HERE)🧶 06:12, 27 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
but, again, my second proposal could work, it's only a matter of consensus. 🧶Demeseriecroitor (YELL AT ME HERE)🧶 06:13, 27 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Theocracy especially. Categories aren't supposed to include broader ones if the more specific ones include them.
-- LightningThrower (talk) 23:45, 26 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
or, as an alternative solution, just have Daeshism as the ideology(with the wiki link) and delete the entire collapsable list it's got. tho, this only works for IS, as there is not an article, for example, on something like al-Qaedaism for al-Qaeda. again, I wait for any advice on my takes here. 🧶Demeseriecroitor (YELL AT ME HERE)🧶 18:57, 26 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Why was the Seal of the Islamic State removed?

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I distinctly remember the seal of the group was within the infobbox not too long ago and now it has been removed. What is the reasoning for this? I believe it should be added back Keylanweylan (talk) 14:38, 27 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Protected edit request: Nuance on Sunni Madhahib, Takfir of general Muslim masses (‘Awwam), and al-Muhajir's Fiqh ad-Dima’

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I would like to request two accuracy and neutrality improvements in the Ideology section based on peer-reviewed academic scholarship (Cole Bunzel 2015, Mara Revkin 2016, and Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi 2016):

1. Stance on the four Sunni schools of law (madhahib), classical fiqh, and general takfir

Current text: "Although IS claims to adhere to the Salafi theology of Ibn Taymiyya, it rejects traditional Salafi interpretations as well as the four Sunni schools of law, and anathematises the majority of Salafis as heretics. IS ideologues rarely uphold adherence to Islamic scholarship and law manuals for reference, mostly preferring to derive rulings based on self-interpretation of the Qur’an and Muslim traditions.[167][168][160]"

Proposed replacement: "Although IS claims to adhere to the Salafi theology of Ibn Taymiyya, it rejects quietist Salafi interpretations and anathematises Salafi movements that support contemporary state governments.[167][168][160] Regarding Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), however, official IS creedal statements and speeches (such as those by Abu ʿUmar al-Baghdadi and spokesman Abu Muhammad al-ʿAdnani) state that the group does not reject the four Sunni schools of law (madhahib) or classical legal manuals, nor does it pronounce takfir over legitimate juristic disagreements (ikhtilaf) in subsidiary legal matters (furuʿ), instead rejecting only blind partisanship (taqlid) to a school when it contradicts scriptural proof texts. Likewise, in its official doctrine, IS maintains that it adheres to the creed (ʿaqida) of Sunni Muslims, does not pronounce blanket takfir upon the general Muslim masses (ʿawam al-muslimin) in regions such as Iraq and the Levant, and does not declare opponents or dissenters apostates (kuffar) or heretics (zanadiqa) unless they commit what the group defines as an explicit nullifier of Islam (naqiḍ min nawaqiḍ al-islam)."

Sources to cite for Point 1: - Cole Bunzel, "From Paper State to Caliphate: The Ideology of the Islamic State", Brookings Institution, March 2015, pp. 10–11, 38–41 (https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/The-ideology-of-the-Islamic-State-1.pdf) - Mara Revkin, "The Legal Foundations of the Islamic State", Brookings Institution, Issue 23, 2016, pp. 10–15. - Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi, "Some of the Fundamentals of the Creed of the Islamic State: Translation and Analysis", 6 January 2016 (https://www.aymennjawad.org/18367/some-of-the-fundamentals-of-the-creed-of-the)


2. Context on Abu Abdullah al-Muhajir's Fiqh al-Dimaʾ and non-combatants

Current text: "The book has been described by counter-terrorism scholar Orwa Ajjoub as rationalising and justifying "suicide operations, the mutilation of corpses, beheading, and the killing of children and non-combatants".[178] His theological and legal justifications influenced IS,[176][177][178]"

Proposed replacement: "The book has been described by counter-terrorism scholar Orwa Ajjoub as rationalising and justifying "suicide operations, the mutilation of corpses, beheading, and the killing of children and non-combatants".[178] While jihadist jurisprudence generally maintains the classical consensus prohibiting the intentional targeting of children and specified categories of non-combatants (ghayr muqatilin) among ahl al-ḥarb, al-Muhajir circumvents these restrictions by broadly expanding classical legal exceptions such as collateral damage through human shields (tatarrus) and night raids (bayat). His theological and legal justifications influenced IS,[176][177][178]"

Sources to cite for Point 2: - Abdullah K. al-Saud and Charlie Winter, "Abu Abdullah al-Muhajir: The Obscure Theologian Who Shaped ISIS", The Atlantic, 4 December 2016 (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/12/isis-muhajir-syria-iraq/509399/) - Mara Revkin, "The Legal Foundations of the Islamic State", Brookings Institution, Issue 23, 2016, pp. 15–18. Zineddin Kenai (talk) 13:10, 6 November 2026 (UTC)Reply

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